Creativity is something that is learnt. We're not born with it. It is our ability to learn that gives us the power of creativity. Every intelligent thing operates on input. What point are you trying to make kingsolomon? You have eyes that allow you to see your models. Thats input into your brain. You SEE the time a model you race finishes in so u know if u need to make it better, Your trying to tell me YOU can be creative without input from the outside world?
I'll give you an example to show you how creativity is learnt. If you were to put a new born child in front of a pc running the sodaconstructor app, what do they do? what would they create? nothing, they'd probably try and eat the mouse if anything. Now if you were to put a ten year old in front of a pc running the sodaconstructor for the first time, it would be different. This child wouldve learnt enough about the world to interact with the pc, learnt about shapes to start drawing some boxes or whatever maybe even get a basic model moving. But the only way it couldve done this is by learning about the world, knowing about shapes springs and such. Without this knowledge the child would be no more creative than the baby. Now finally take a veteran constructor, someone who has a couple of years of experience with the soda app. This person has learnt about zip springs and all the rest. You would consider this person to be more creative because they are able to build more beautiful , faster and elegant models than the other two kids. Im not saying the other two kids wont EVER be as creative, but they have to learn certain things to able to creative. Now this is has nothing to do with age. You put an old caveman infront of the pc , he'd probably use it to break something.
The thing i think that is hindering you from seeing my point of view is that the programs you've come across, are one that just process data given by you. Games , office programs etx. This is what computers are mainly used for and all you see them are as tools for this. The genetic algorithms we are trying to develop are nothing like this. They operate on the exact same input as humans. Well not my one yet, but wwans algorithm that created models from scratch. All the input it was given was the same as a human. It was given the ability to know the time a model finished in (something YOU see), the ability to send models to the race app for testing, (something you've learned to do), and most importantly it is given the ability to learn what kind of model produces a fast time. Creativity does come from the inside, but you have to draw on the experiences you've learnt frmo the world to be able to so. No one is instantly creative.
Now one more point i think i should make. You think a computer cant make fine art? It could but you'd have to tell it what fine art is. You have to let it have the ability to judge something it has created so it knows it has produced fine art. It can judge sodarace models very easily. The lower the time the better, but finding some piece of art beautiful involves such a complex set of thought processes that often humans cant even agree with each other. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It'd be very difficult to but not impossible to teach (not give) a computer this kind of judgement.
Thats the key to true AI. Giving a computer the same ability to learn we have. Thats what our brains are, complex organic computers that have the ability to process INPUT from the outside world and learn.
Ok i'll make one more point about how new ideas come about and i'll draw a comparison to evolution like i did before. Evolution works because when two things breed the result is a creature that slightly different from the parents. Its genes may have been mutated slightly. Now if the change is bad, the creature has a lower chance of survival and is less likely to reproduce. If the change is good it will more likely survive and pass on these good traits.
The formation of new ideas in your head works in a similar way. When thinking of a solution to a problem, yoy may think of a few ideas , and then pick one idea you think is the best discarding the rest for now. The best solution in your opinion has survived. You may test this solution and realise it wasnt as good as you thought and you discard it. This can be a very rapid process, you dont even conciously realise you're doing it, but thats how your mind works. You will eventually , maybe very quickly come across a good solution and you keep it. This solution survives in your memory. Eventually you'll build up a whole population of good solutions in your head that will allow you to solve more complex problems. When it comes to solving complex problems you draw on the knowledge you've learned naturally, you dont ever once stop to appreciate how your mind got to that state, how it learnt to be creative. Dont you think that its possible for a computer to be able to learn in this exact same way? Also you have to seperate two things:
1. Creativity in art
2. Creativity in solving a problem
ive shows you how humans develop creativity to solve problems, and you should accept that one day AI will be able to do the same thing, probably better.
however Creativity in art is something that only a human can do because you have to be human to be able to understand what you find artistic. Its something very specific to humans and individual humans even. Its not something computers can really do unless you simulate a human brain perfectly (which is theorectically feasible).
I know its a sad thing to argue that human creativity isnt so magical. Dont get me wrong im human myself. Id rather believe that there was something magical about the human mind, but i have to conclude. There isnt.
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